Grandia Sega Saturn English Patch
Let me preface everything else I am going to say with I still own my Model 2 Sega Saturn, a bunch of games including all 3 of the Panzer Dragoon games. Please do not bring any conversation about piracy into this thread as I own all games I would possibly play on an emulator.
So after watching My Life In Gaming's excellent video about the Saturn and wanting to finally play through all of the Panzer Dragoon games (I have never played the first 2) I started wondering the best way to play Saturn games? I want to get the absolute best picture quality out of the Saturn games. So here is the question what would be the way to get the best picture quality? The Saturn console and purchasing a XRGB-mini Framemeister upscaler, hooked up to my KS8000 TV or to go the emulation route through Mednafen? I am looking for the pluses and minuses for each? Surprisingly there are very little videos or articles I could find about this.
Lastly I am considering also hooking this up to a 27 inch PC monitor if I go hardware so I could use my sound system when playing the Saturn. I however have limited connectivity options (optical, and PC 3.5 hookups).
Oct 14, 2016 Though as of this writing no English translation patch for the Saturn (or PlayStation) version of Tokimeki Memorial: Forever With You is available, like the PlayStation patch we future-proofed the patch by translating this dialogue as well. Grandia (グランディア) is a Sega Saturn RPG released in Japan and later brought. Not become the phenomenal hit that many english publications were expecting. A fan translation in Korean exists for the Saturn version and is attributed to a.
Would there be anyway using the Framemeister to hook it up with those inputs? MOD EDIT: Just as friendly reminder, please keep in mind our guidelines from the FAQ. Absolutely real hardware thru RGB/SCART on a CRT TV like God intended, but I realize that that might not be practical or possible these days, so the Framemeister option is good too.
I don't think there is a way to hook a Saturn up to a PC monitor; if there was, I'd be doing that instead of my PVM setup. Through the FM might be doable, though I wouldn't bother playing any lightgun games on that setup. All I know is, nothing feels like the real hardware and real controllers. If you're really hard-up, or your Saturn stops working for whatever reason (they're getting on for 30 years old, after all), then I guess you could try Mednafen, though I haven't tried it myself so I couldn't tell you how good it is. Speaking of your Saturn possibly breaking down, the part most likely to break is, of course, the ancient CD drive.
I do know that there are hardware modding solutions that can save the rest of the hardware from dereliction. However, since these solutions require the machine's CD drive be removed and replaced with an SD card reader (and I'm sure you can imagine the rest), I won't be discussing these in detail here. Just google for 'saturn rhea pheobe' if your interest is piqued. Other than that, the next thing you should be buying is an Action Replay Plus 4M, which allows you to play imported games (I.e., cheaper Japanese games!). Play-Asia do them for around £19/$25.99, which is a total bargain for what you get out of it. 4Mb memory card for game saves, 1Mb and 4Mb expansion cards for those tricky Capcom and SNK fighting games, and Action Replay cheats? What's bad about that?
Every good exclusive game runs pretty much flawlessly in Mednafen. No idea why people are acting like Saturn emulation is in such a bad state. The Saturn's kind of like the Jaguar where you only have to emulate like 5 games and everything good on the platform is preserved. CPSx emulation in MAME made the vast majority of good Saturn games redundant. Luckily, the games that don't work are all pretty much the trash ones you wouldn't want to play anyway. Also, there's a CRT fork of Mednafen that you can find on the arcadecontrols forums that lets you play at its original resolution on a CRT so you could even do that.
Click to expand. Absolutely untrue. If I were being incredibly generous, I could possibly think of 10 exclusives that are worth playing, but that'd be setting the bar pretty low for 'must play' games. It has a very shallow library of exclusives. Most of the appeal of the system was the Sega ModelX ports (which are all terrible compared to emulate arcade versions) and the decent Capcom arcade ports that are also irrelevant in an age where there are great emulators for the actual arcade originals. Yabasanshiro emulator made also a lot of progress, though it is more demanding Currently Elevator Action Returns on Saturn is the best way to experience the original, since Taito F3 GFX emulation on MAME is incomplete.
Bubble Bobble 2 has also an arranged OST. I had an issue with Gunbird.
Dialogs go out of sync on emulators, since they synchronise with the Saturns CD reader, as opposed to the instant loading times of emulators. One of my favourite Saturn shmups, Game Paradise,was also ported to PS4 and Steam, with extra character voices, 2 DLC characters, extra video and a planned English translation. Every good exclusive game runs pretty much flawlessly in Mednafen. No idea why people are acting like Saturn emulation is in such a bad state. The Saturn's kind of like the Jaguar where you only have to emulate like 5 games and everything good on the platform is preserved.
CPSx emulation in MAME made the vast majority of good Saturn games redundant. Luckily, the games that don't work are all pretty much the trash ones you wouldn't want to play anyway.
Also, there's a CRT fork of Mednafen that you can find on the arcadecontrols forums that lets you play at its original resolution on a CRT so you could even do that. Click to expand.OP has already stated he owns all the games he wants to play, or did you miss that. Unless you're suggesting he go out and buy all the arcade versions?.OP has already stated he owns all the games he wants to play, or did you miss that.
Grandia Sega Saturn English Patch
Unless you're suggesting he go out and buy all the arcade versions? The Saturn is the kind of console that might not be worth it if you don't know Japanese, but if you do, it has a pretty great library with some notable exclusives.
I personally own over 30 Saturn games, but admittedly, many of them did see Playstation ports or were multiplats. Here are the Saturn exclusives that I consider worthwhile, but some of them are admittedly a little rough: Burning Rangers, Chaos Seed., Dragon Force, Deep Fear, Gun Griffon, Gun Griffon 2, Nights, Panzer Dragoon, Panzer Dragoon Zwei, Panzer Dragoon Azel, Princess Crown, Saturn Bomberman, Terra Phantastica, Wachenroder.Port of SFC game RE: OSSC - DVI Output?
Wtf am I supposed to do with DVI? I don't believe much in those 'scaling' boxes, though if it's ok for you - go for it. If not, then as i said either 1) CRT goodness 2) Ok, play on small display which resolution is close to 320x240 or whatever. So each pixel is nearly unnoticeble. Or play emulation something like 640x480 window on 720p notebook. 3) Or maybe add crt shaders if they look good for you so you can go fullscreen.
I can't stand playing 240p games fullscreen on 1080p monitors and more (with upscalers or not), but you may disagree of course.
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Marurun wrote:romhacking.net also has lots of information on hacking/translating. They also have individuals who might be able to be recruited. If you just copy the PSX text then you're still suffering a poor translation, though. It's not all about the translation though the Sega Saturn version of the game was also much better graphically. I would LOVE to see this happen, but I think the biggest problem will be getting people to do so much work for a translation that already exists on another platform. I would have thought it would have made it easier for them to translate as Shining force 3 has been translated now they just fixing it up for translation errors. Maybe they could use the Shining force technology to simply transfer the existing PSX dialog into the Sega Saturn version of the game.
I'm not after a perfect translation as purists would want it just a chance to play the better version of the game. I tried with a translation txt file but man that was cumbersome to say the least.
Hell, maybe you're right. I asked someone about it myself about a year ago and the overwhelming response was that stuff like this is HHAARRDD. If someone with alot of know-how gets behind it, I'd volunteer to do some grunt work if I was able.
But who knows? I've always felt really spurned by the fact that Grandia never got translated (Grandia was actually the first game I ever imported back in 1998 - I read an article saying that it should be played regardless of the language gap, but I just couldn't play an RPG like that without knowing the nuances of the story), so it would be kinda huge for me if the mistakes of yesteryear were corrected in a way. OriginalName wrote:Hell, maybe you're right. I asked someone about it myself about a year ago and the overwhelming response was that stuff like this is HHAARRDD. If someone with alot of know-how gets behind it, I'd volunteer to do some grunt work if I was able. But who knows?
I've always felt really spurned by the fact that Grandia never got translated (Grandia was actually the first game I ever imported back in 1998 - I read an article saying that it should be played regardless of the language gap, but I just couldn't play an RPG like that without knowing the nuances of the story), so it would be kinda huge for me if the mistakes of yesteryear were corrected in a way. I probably read the same Article or similar in Sega Saturn Magazine UK. Yeah the end of life in Saturn in the west was a big let down for me especially since most of the most anticipated games towards the end just ended up left as Japan only releases. I really wanted to play Dead or alive, Virtua Fighter 3, Shining force scene 2 and 3, Radiant Silvergun, Shen Mue, Dragon force 2. The Sega Saturn was awesome I suppose that these games were released too late.
OriginalName wrote:Well, you're in luck for Shining Force III: Scenarios II and III and Dragon Force 2: Regarding Virtua Fighter 3, I've always been okay with its absence - I'd rather play the crazy Fighters Megamix anyway. I already have the patches for the Shining force scenarios 1 2 and 3 I've been following the site since it was announced and thanks for the news on Dragon force. Btw I played Fighters Megamix today and it's a lot better than I remember it. I think when I first played the game I had a lot of high hopes for it and the hype exceeded the game but I really like the game now. I always wanted Virtua Fighter 3 to come out on the Sega Saturn it would have proved all the nay sayers wrong which was so important back then in the PSX vs Saturn era. Sega's console was the underdog but became my preferred console simply because it had the games I wanted to play like Virtua Fighter 2, Sega Rally etc. I mean I know that it wouldn't have been able to compete with might of the Arcade version but just having it on the Sega Saturn would have been something to see because we know that it would have taken every ounce of power from the console to make it happen.
I was happy with the Dreamcast version but having it on the Saturn would have meant so much more to me as a loyal Sega Saturn owner in those days. But sadly in the end the Sega Saturn became the console of disappointment for me because so many of the great end of life games remained Japan Imports and many of them untranslated. Ah well at least we got some good games in the end like Shining force 3 scenario 1, Last Bronx, Sonic R and Panzer Dragoon Saga. Sega made some daft decisions which stopped great games from coming out. No luck so far, man. I've actually started learning Japanese since this thread started.
The good news is that Dragon Force II is pretty close to getting a full English translation, and I believe the entire Shining Force III trilogy has been completed. There's also alot of speculation that the people who translated Policenauts for the PlayStation will move on to the Saturn version next.
I'd love to see Grandia, Sakura Taisen, Princess Crown, Radiant Silvergun, and the Lunar titles get translated as well as a couple more obscure ones like Far East of Eden IV: The Apocalypse and Tales of the Seven Windblast Islands. I think of those, Radiant Silvergun has the best chance - Sakura Taisen may have a shot, although a translation of the Dreamcast version seems more likely. Unfortunately, the demand for Grandia is pretty low since it did get an English PlayStation port, although the original Saturn version outclasses it in every way imaginable. To me, it was a matter of principle, since Grandia was actually the first game I ever imported back in 1998 and was gutted to find that I just couldn't get much enjoyment out of it because of the language barrier. I was so scorned that I didn't even want to play it on PlayStation. That said, I don't think many people still feel scorned by it, so it'd be difficult to get a large group dedicated to the difficult task of re-translating a game that's already been translated specifically for one of the most convoluted console architectures in existence.